NYK/LAC/OKC Multi-Trade

[New York Knicks]

Trade #1:

OKC Trades:

75 | Andres Nocioni - $7,500,000 $6,850,000 $6,650,000 7,500,000
75 | Jose Calderon - $8,219,009 $9,000,000 $9,780,993 $10,561,985
73 | Tim Thomas - $1,306,455
71 | Kwame Brown - $4,000,000
68 | Linas Kleiza - $1,000,000 | $2,707,723
Draft Rights to Sergio Llull
2010 1st round Pick
2010 2nd Round Pick
2011 2nd Round Pick

OKC Receives:

81 Corey Maggette $9,288,000 $10,031,040 $10,833,523 $11,700,205
81 | Tayshaun Prince - $10,324,280 | $11,148,760
62 | Goran Suton $500,000 $500,000 $1,000,000 $1,500,000
64 | Earl Barron - $500,000
74 | Steve Blake - $4,000,000


Total Outgoing: $22,025,464
Total Incoming: $24,612,380


LAC Trades:

74 | Steve Blake - $4,000,000
81 | Tayshaun Prince - $10,324,280 | $11,148,760
62 | Goran Suton $500,000 $500,000 $1,000,000 $1,500,000

LAC Receives:

75 | Andres Nocioni - $7,500,000 $6,850,000 $6,650,000 7,500,000
75 | Jose Calderon - $8,219,009 $9,000,000 $9,780,993 $10,561,985
73 | Tim Thomas - $1,306,455

Total Incoming: $17,025,464
Total Outgoing: $14,824,280


NYK Trades:

81 Corey Maggette $9,288,000 $10,031,040 $10,833,523 $11,700,205
64 | Earl Barron - $500,000

NYK Receives:

71 | Kwame Brown - $4,000,000
68 | Linas Kleiza - $1,000,000 | $2,707,723
Draft Rights to Sergio Llull
2010 1st round Pick
2010 2nd Round Pick
2011 2nd Round Pick

Total Outgoing: $9,788,000
Total Incoming: $5,000,000



Trade #2:

OKC Trades:

81 | Tayshaun Prince - $10,324,280 | $11,148,760
74 | Steve Blake - $4,000,000

OKC Receives:

75 | Andres Nocioni - $7,500,000 $6,850,000 $6,650,000 7,500,000
75 | Jose Calderon - $8,219,009 $9,000,000 $9,780,993 $10,561,985

Total Outgoing: $14,324,280
Total Incoming: $15,719,009


LAC Trades:

75 | Andres Nocioni - $7,500,000 $6,850,000 $6,650,000 7,500,000
75 | Jose Calderon - $8,219,009 $9,000,000 $9,780,993 $10,561,985

LAC Receives:

81 | Tayshaun Prince - $10,324,280 | $11,148,760
69 Brian Skinner $1,306,455

Total Outgoing: $15,719,009
Total Incoming: $11,630,735


NYK Trades:

69 Brian Skinner $1,306,455

NYK Receives:

74 | Steve Blake - $4,000,000

Total Outgoing: $1,306,455
Total Incoming: $4,000,000


WOW! We had to do it this way to get salaries to match and work out. But rest assured, it all does work! 2 3-ways in 1 trade!

[tb]

Record.

Book it. I accept. This move gives me a scorer for injury time.

[New York Knicks]

Soooo, yea. I accept. I trade Maggette and Skinner. I get back some picks (none of which are likely to be majorly valuable, but I'll take the risk), a player I like a little (Kleiza), and a maybe ok player (Llull), and a guy like Blake who I probably will trade...but at least there is some value.

If it isn't obvious, you can basically take Nocioni, Calderon, and Tayshaun's values out of both trades, as they just go right back where they came from.

[Los Angeles Clippers]

Basically:

LAC Get: Tim Thomas, Skinner

LAC Give: Steve Blake, Suton

Knicks Get: 3 picks, Kleiza, Blake, Brown, Llull

Knicks Give: Maggette, Skinner, Barron

Thunder Give: 3 picks, Tim Thomas, Kleiza, Brown, Llull

Thunder Get: Maggette, Sutton, Barron

[Los Angeles Clippers]

I accept, lots of work for Tim Thomas but he will be worth it because of his ability to spread the floor...and he's not a guard so that helps a lot. Skinner will also look great in a shirt and tie!

[New York Knicks]

yes, LAC's summary is what the whole deal boils down to.

[sniper]

Accept, Knicks could have gotten another player in the deal perhaps but he knows what he is doing.

[Boston Celtics]

I'll accept

[Toronto Raptors]

accept, I'll also rank this as one of the most complicated deals i have seen in a sim league.

[Sacramento Kings]

Im rejecting just becuz I hate the fact that owners can't work under the salary cap...I don't the 'I'll trade u these 2 players and then u trade one of them back to me'. Sorry but I'm going to reject every single trade I see like this!

I'd also like to point out that the NBA has rules for packaging players in trades like this:

members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q88

[New York Knicks]

We tried everything we could under the salary cap. When LAC can't get Tim Thomas for Steve Blake basically...we had to get creative. Your call on your principle's, but we try to have these Sim Leagues be fun, and each of the 3 managers in this deal have been in sims for a long time, and we all know what we're doing.

If you have any problem with the values in the trades, that's one thing, though I think even then, it's hard to argue too much anywhere. Prince, Nocioni, and Calderon's values have all dropped a lot in the last year or so, and they're all overpaid.

Anyway, 3 -1, and since there are two staff members involved in the trade, isn't 3 enough to approve the trade? Or do we have like 9 staff now?

[New York Knicks]

I assume you're talking about this thing here...

For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately. This restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap. (Also see question number 75 for a special case where players can be traded together in less than two months.)

Since OKC is the only one over the cap, we can still get around this if you want.

OKC trades out Prince for Calderon to save money this year and get his backup PG back.

OKC makes a 3rd trade and deals out Blake for Nocioni or something like that, since he doesn't need Blake anymore with Calderon, and he wants what Nocioni brings to the table.

Point is, if you really want us to, we'll find a way to do it, even under a rule that has never been enforced in any of the 10+ Sim Leagues I've ever been in or heard of. Your call. We spent hours yesterday getting this to work. If you want to try and destroy the fun of the league, which for most managers is trading and getting players they like...well your call. You would just be hurting the activity of the league, which is the last thing any of us wants.

[Toronto Raptors]

Pretty sure under the rules this deal is approve 5-1.

[Boston Celtics]

It needs 1 more accept to be approved. If the vote ends up in a 3-3 tie, the deciding vote would go to Detroit.

[tb]

two staff members eliminates that boston. Unless there are 9 members of the staff. Then it would be.